volcanics vs yang zing

[Javatori (Rincondejavatori)]

tenemos una duda sobre el efecto de volcanic scattershot y volcanic doomfire contra los yang zing.

Volcanic scattershot: If this card is sent to the Graveyard: Inflict 500 damage to your opponent. If this card is sent to the Graveyard by the effect of a “Blaze Accelerator” card: You can send 2 “Volcanic Scattershots” from your hand and/or Deck to the Graveyard; destroy all monsters your opponent controls.

OCG Rulings
After this card is sent to the Graveyard by the effect of a “Blaze Accelerator” card, if the effect that destroys all monsters your opponent controls is activated, 2 “Volcanic Scattershot” are sent from your hand and/or Deck to the Graveyard as a cost.[1]
The “When this card is sent to the Graveyard, inflict 500 damage to your opponent.” effect is activated even if this card is sent to the Graveyard as a cost.
Example: If this card is sent to the Graveyard by the effect of “Blaze Accelerator” or “Tri-Blaze Accelerator”, the “When this card is sent to the Graveyard, inflict 500 damage to your opponent.” effect is activated, and the “destroy all monsters your opponent controls.” effect can be activated in a chain by sending 2 “Volcanic Scattershot” from your hand and/or Deck to the Graveyard as a cost. After the chain resolves, the “When this card is sent to the Graveyard, inflict 500 damage to your opponent.” effect of the 2 “Volcanic Scattershot” that were sent from the Deck to the Graveyard are activated in a chain.[2]

Volcanic doomfire: This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card can only be Special Summoned by sending a face-up “Tri-Blaze Accelerator” you control to the Graveyard. During your opponent’s Battle Phase, your opponent must attack this monster with any Attack Position monsters they control. When this card destroys a monster and sends it to the Graveyard, destroy all monsters your opponent controls and inflict 500 damage to your opponent for each monster destroyed by this effect.

OCG Rulings
“This card can only be Special Summoned by sending a face-up “Tri-Blaze Accelerator” you control to the Graveyard.” is not treated as an effect. (It is a procedure to Special Summon a Special Summon Monster. Sending “Tri-Blaze Accelerator” to the Graveyard and Special Summoning this card are not considered to happen simultaneously. Special Summoning this card does not start a Chain Link.)[1]
The “During your opponent’s Battle Phase, your opponent must attack this monster with any Attack Position monsters they control.” effect is a Continuous Effect.[1]
The “When this card destroys a monster and sends it to the Graveyard, destroy all monsters your opponent controls and inflict 500 damage to your opponent for each monster destroyed by this effect.” effect is a Trigger Effect. (It does not target.)[1]
Destroying all monsters your opponent controls and inflicting damage are considered to happen simultaneously.[1]
Since “Special Summon from the Deck” is not written in the text of “Volcanic Doomfire”, “Dark Necrofear”, “Soul of Purity and Light”, “Spirit of Flames”, etc… they can only be Special Summoned from the hand. Therefore, “Volcanic Doomfire” cannot be Special Summoned from the Deck using the procedure written on the text.[2]
After “Volcanic Doomfire” is Special Summoned using its own procedure, if it is banished or sent to the Graveyard, it can be Special Summoned by “Monster Reborn” or “Dimension Fusion”.[3]
During the Battle Phase of this turn, when an opponent’s monster declares an attack, the player that controls both copies of Volcanic Doomfire selects which copy becomes the attack target, and the attack is carried out.[4]

los yang pierden el efecto de invocar si son destruidos por scatershot o doomfire si despues de destruirse por los volcanic inflingen daño?

[oskiitar (Oscar14dc)]

Se aplican las cadenas, si en ultimo lugar se resolvio los volcanic, los yang zing perderian timming, no soy juez xD asi que otras personas te resolveran mejor la duda, saludos

[Arturo_Bonilla]

Los yang zing deben perder timing. Lo he buscado con las manos en pojo y un foro de DN. Os adjunto los link más abajo

[oskiitar (Oscar14dc)]

@Arturo Bonilla

Los yang zing no pierden timing, porque los efectos de quitar 500 de los 2 scattershot que has tirado con el primero irían en una nueva cadena junto con los efectos de los yang zing destruidos

Osea por cadenas y ya cierto?

[Arturo_Bonilla]

forum.duelingnetwork.com/index.p … attershot/
pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=1214317

Me he equivocado en mi respuesta, consultaré este tipo de páginas antes de responder la próxima vez

[oskiitar (Oscar14dc)]

A bueno no pasa nada, todos nos equivocamos

[Noixez1 (Noixez.)]

Si ponen los textos doy mi explicación del tema xD

[Javatori (Rincondejavatori)]

mañana por la mañana pongo los textos de todo que hice la consulta desde el movil(y este post tambien) y resulta tedioso.

edit: Hecho. esque por ejemplo en el doomfire pone simultaneamente y pienso que si pueden activar efecto, pero scattershot me pierde un poco.

[Javatori (Rincondejavatori)]

@Noixez.

Si ponen los textos doy mi explicación del tema xD

nos das la explicacion del tema porfavor?

[Noixez1 (Noixez.)]

Volcanic scattershot: If this card is sent to the Graveyard: Inflict 500 damage to your opponent. If this card is sent to the Graveyard by the effect of a “Blaze Accelerator” card: You can send 2 “Volcanic Scattershots” from your hand and/or Deck to the Graveyard; destroy all monsters your opponent controls.

Una vez llega al cementerio:
CL1 efecto quitar vida
CL2 efecto de enviar dos copias y destruir campo.

Los Yang Zing pierden efecto porque lo último que ocurre es la perdida de vida, no la destrucción de los monstruos yang zing en campo, esto se debe a que los yang Zing tienen efectos del tipo “Cuando… puedes…”

Volcanic doomfire: This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card can only be Special Summoned by sending a face-up “Tri-Blaze Accelerator” you control to the Graveyard. During your opponent’s Battle Phase, your opponent must attack this monster with any Attack Position monsters they control. When this card destroys a monster and sends it to the Graveyard, destroy all monsters your opponent controls and inflict 500 damage to your opponent for each monster destroyed by this effect.

Ruling: Destroying all monsters your opponent controls and inflicting damage are considered to happen simultaneously.

Como el daño y la destrucción son simultáneos, no se produce ninguna pérdida de timing, ambos efectos (daño + destrucción) ocurren a la vez, por lo tanto lo último ocurrido es tanto la destrucción de los monstruos yang Zing como la pérdida de vida. (Con PSCT la conjunción seguirá siendo “Y/And”) en una nueva cadena todos los Yang Zing se encadenarán siguiendo reglas SEGOC (y a gusto del Propietario de los Yang Zing).

[Javatori (Rincondejavatori)]

gracias noixez